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AN INTERVIEW WITH DEE DEE PENNY
California’s sisters in black, Dum Dum Girls, blend bubblegum harmonies and Phil Spector-inflected sixties sounds with reverbed garage fuzz.
We had a chat with the leader of the pack, Dee Dee, prior to their set at Festsaal Kreuzberg.
There are always great artists coming out of California, from Best Coast and Nite Jewel, to Zappa, Beefheart, The Beach Boys and beyond… what is it about The Golden State that makes for such great music?
I think it’s the nature aspect. It’s beautiful and the landscape has always been very inspiring to me – the desert, the sandy beaches and the mountains. But other than that I don’t know, I think it’s like a vibe. I just moved to New York and it feels completely inspirational in a different way, it is literally the city that never sleeps and California is the opposite; so mellow.
On your first album there’s a song called ‘Oh Mein M’, when did you learn Deutsch?
I was really obsessed with German Literature, so much so that I wanted to learn the language. I studied it for two years in college and then I went to school in Germany for a year. It’s been a long time since I was here, so I’m rusty but I try and use it as much as I can. I don’t remember exactly why I wrote the song in German, other than I wanted to write a song about love at first sight which is such a cliché topic and it sounded too simplistic in English, so I did it in German instead. At least to my ears it sounded more intelligent (laughs).
Are there any German writers you enjoy in particular?
I was really obsessed with Hermann Hesse when I was about 16.
And what do you make of Berlin?
I love it. When I went to school in a small town in the middle of Germany, I used to come here a lot on the weekends. It’s maybe my favourite city after New York. Although Berlin is big and so much is going on, it seems very under-populated, so it’s comfortable; you can breathe and it’s really cheap, which is amazing.
You’re signed to the prestigious Sub Pop label, which is synonymous with grunge bands like Nirvana and Mudhoney. Are those are sounds that have inspired you in anyway?
I was a huge Nirvana fan when I was 12, so I think to a degree, yes. I was a massive Hole fan as well, maybe that explains my inability to make music without heavily distorted guitars. There are elements of that noisiness in our music, but it was a pretty macho scene. It is definitely a huge honour to be on the label.
What are you currently listening to in your van?
I’m a massive fan of Dirty Beaches, but I’m obviously biased because he’s a good friend and my label puts him out, but I think he’s a huge talent. Other than that, I’m listening to Kurt Vile, the last John Maus record and Deerhunter; I think he’s probably the coolest guy around right now. I guess I sound like Pitchfork (laughs).
Your new album seems a lot more polished in comparison to your fuzz-heavy debut, are you moving away from lo-fi?
In my head, it doesn’t seem like a ton has changed, but I recently was writing the setlist for our last US tour and I listened to all our songs in an order and it was shocking to hear the difference between a song from an early EP and a song on Only in Dreams, because the fidelity is so much higher now. A lot of it has to do with being in the mood for that kind of sound. When the EP came out I was listening to a lot of Black Tambourine, Primitives and Jesus and Mary Chain; so that sound is what felt right to me. Also, since it was the first time I’d written any songs and recorded, I had no idea what I was doing and I literally did a bad job recording. Now the fidelity is better because we’re in a studio with a sound engineer. The songs on this album are so driven by the lyrics and the melodies that it just seemed appropriate that they should be on top, not buried.
So what did you all do before you were the Dum Dum girls?
When I was in college I wanted to be a writer, which is an equally if not more lofty goal.
What did you write?
I wrote a lot of short stories and poetry. I started a lot of novels and abandoned them. I knew early on that I wanted to try to do music, so I never bothered going to graduate school or trying to get a career of some kind, so I’ve just taken jobs in vintage shops, record shops, libraries and offices. Our bass player Bambi worked for the government in Texas doing non-profit work like social service, Jules is an innovator of furniture and Sandy is a graphic designer and has played in bands for years.
When did you pick up a guitar then?
I picked up a guitar when I was 12 and the first songs I tried to learn were 1979 by the Smashing Pumpkins, The Man Who Sold the World by Bowie and probably a Greenday song. I was awful; I tried for years to play it.
What was different the second time round?
I had played the drums since then, which I loved, but it wasn’t conducive to writing songs. I really wanted to play guitar so I could write songs and sing in a rock ‘n’ roll band, so I finally got off my high horse of hating being bad at things and just sucked for a while. It’s all about muscle memory.
You’re known to be quite partial to a cover, the most recent being a Smiths song – how do you go about choosing?
I think at least once a day I’m like ‘we should cover this song’. It started out when I was starting to write songs and learning how to record. Being familiar with how songs are written and structured is helpful in writing your own, so I would play tons of covers and I recorded a lot of them. The Smiths cover was a random last minute thing. I think the next recording I put out will have a Strawberry Switchblade cover on it.
Which Strawberry Switchblade song?
Trees and Flowers. We were over here on tour with MGMT a couple of years ago and Andrew, the singer, was like ‘ you should cover Strawberry Switchblade’. I love the song but I’d never thought to cover them.
What are you reading right now?
I’ve just started ‘The Heart is a Lonely Hunter’, by Carson McCullers.